Tuesday, February 14, 2012

*sigh*...

From here:

Hollywood African American film star Samuel L. Jackson openly admits to voting for President Barack Obama, “because he’s black,” in the 2008 presidential election.

"I voted for Barack because he was black. ‘Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them,” said Mr. Jackson in the interview.

Well, there's only one thing to say about that:






This is so, so sad and it hurts so bad that people can't face the reality: black people got a black puppet. A black president would have been the ultimate achievement of the civil rights movement. But what really happened is so despicable and genuinely racist that the integrity of our culture inhibits its recognition. Essentially, the one percent put blackface on and all the black people were easily fooled. This is not good for black on black relations, but it's great for rich white people.  Over the past 10 years or so I have slowly come to understand that black rage against the white establishment is totally justified and actually understated, even among the radicals.   At least all the politically/socially conscious hip-hop artists can provide the black culture with this kind of insight.  Oh shit, I forgot, they don't exist anymore.  I wonder why...

17 comments:

cyrusfx said...

oh shit... RACE WAR!!!

but really, you didn't know that was a pretty widespread phenomenon? in the past 10 years we've shifted from being a predominately white-based nation to being a minority-based one.

perhaps its as simple as they feel like their needs stand a better chance of being taken care of if they vote for non-whitey.

history has proven that not to always be the best course of action (Cynthia McKinney comes to mind), but Mr. L. Jackson has a point -- even though its not of the highest philosophical virtues its his right as an American to act like a redneck.

Shiit. Its quite possible we may not have another white president for a few years, but I put more faith in my prediction that the stock market will crash first.

Obama's got this shit in the bag, barring a major domestic economic catastrophe.

Mondu said...

Bam fast acting comments!

I added the last part at the same time you commented so there's some extra context to the post there.

cyrusfx said...

He's just a politician, trying to get votes. If you're a politician it doesn't really matter _why_ somebody votes for you, so long as they vote for you.

And black people didn't get shit when Obama got elected, except now they can say they've had one of their own (half of one of their own) in the White House. Black people didn't put Barack into office -- they still only make up 10% of the population.

And actually, I think having a black president can only be good for black-on-black relations -- what evidence is there otherwise? For the first time in America's history there is definitive proof that its possible for a young black kid to grow up and be president some day, and that means a lot.

And every outcome of every situation is great for rich white people -- that's why they're rich, they make money when everybody else is losing it. Even if they lose some of it, they're still fucking rich, so who gives a shit.

There's also a lot of political hip hop artists currently active: Dead Prez, Immortal Technique, Mos Def, Common.

I guess I don't really understand your post... You're mad at black people for voting for Obama?

Huge Larry said...

I agree that this video comes across as an advertisement targeted toward black people, and that it may be trying to foster the ‘vote for me because we’re both black’ message which is accepted by big Sammy L. However, I don’t find that to be objectionable. Most advertisements, political and otherwise are targeted at a particular race and/or gender. I agree with CFX that politicians are highly focused on getting votes, and even if they sacrifice some of their values and respectability during an election for the sake of votes, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they will be evil after being elected. Now that said, I’m guessing that Kevin’s critique of Obama is not based solely on this particular add, but is rather founded on an analysis of his behavior in office. I don’t really pay enough attention to know whether there’s any truth to theory that Obama is a puppet being controlled by the white elites. It’s a sad reality, but I feel that there’s really no point in increasing my awareness with regards to these sorts of issues. I don’t feel like I’ll be able to change anything, and I’m worried the information will just make me depressed. It takes a lot of time, energy and reading to really have an informed opinion about stuff like this, and I spend most of my time and energy on work, then the rest is spent recovering from work and trying to have some fun. All that I’m really prepared to do, which I know is stupid and ill-informed, is to vote based on my assessment of a candidate’s intelligence, values, and alignment with my own thinking on various issues. Now, if certain conspiracies and underhanded dealings are in effect, then I will be deceived and may vote against my own best interests. Oh well.

cyrusfx said...

"It’s a sad reality, but I feel that there’s really no point in increasing my awareness with regards to these sorts of issues. I don’t feel like I’ll be able to change anything, and I’m worried the information will just make me depressed."

Therein lies the eternal rub. I know for a fact I can't really change anything, and I suppose this is all just a form of entertainment. I like knowing stuff, but I don't like worrying about stuff I know I can't change.

But I can change snare timbres and frequency archs in order to make my tracks sound slightly less muddled.

Mondu said...

Bad monetary policy, the war on drugs, the tyrrany of the prison industrial complex and the wars all hit minorities the hardest. Obama has done nothing for black people. This will cause even deeper disillusionment within the black community once it is recognized. Finally, a black president; oh, but his only real goal is to keep the rich white establishment happy. What an insidious trick. The 'dream' of racial equality has been exploited for the gain of the douchebags in charge of the country.

All hip-hop artist with a politically/socially conscious message have been pushed to the fringe of the culture. Black people reality aren't the violent, misogynistic, shallow consumers that mainstream hip-hop portrays. But for some reason that culture has been reinforced.

cyrusfx said...

"Finally, a black president; oh, but his only real goal is to keep the rich white establishment happy. What an insidious trick. The 'dream' of racial equality has been exploited for the gain of the douchebags in charge of the country."

Yeah, but compared to who? You believe McCain or Romney are somehow going to "better represent" the black establishment while also disempowering the white establishment at the same time?

I know what you're about to say: Ron Paul. Well he may have some good ideas and all, but lets face reality: he's not going to be the next president. He's just not. That's not just my negativity dragging him down, either.

And again, what percentage of the actual presidential vote do you think is cast by Afro Americans?

The last president who fought the idea that the government's primary objective should be to help rich white people get more money was Eisenhower. But he didn't really even fight it, he just mentioned it the day before he moved out.

So why should Obama be assigned the Herculean task of breaking politics from the chains of the military/industrial/financial complex, just because he's black??

Lets face it: no president can. Ron Paul would change his tune on Day 1 of his presidency once its explained to him all the crazy, serious-ass shit thats going on in the world. And if he refused he'd be assassinated on Day 2.

That's the problem. that's why in the long run, we're fucked.

Mondu said...

'Yeah, but compared to who? You believe McCain or Romney are somehow going to "better represent" the black establishment while also disempowering the white establishment at the same time?'

No. The point is, 'The 'dream' of racial equality has been exploited for the gain of the douchebags in charge of the country.' I'm not sure how the comparison to the other candidates is relevant here.

'I know what you're about to say: Ron Paul. Well he may have some good ideas and all, but lets face reality: he's not going to be the next president. He's just not. That's not just my negativity dragging him down, either.'

You don't know that. There are so many horrible and semi-horrible ways this thing could go down. That speculation is based on many assumptions that might not hold true.

' And again, what percentage of the actual presidential vote do you think is cast by Afro Americans? '

Most of the voters who voted for Obama were in love with the 'first black president' concept. Their ethnicity is incidental.

'So why should Obama be assigned the Herculean task of breaking politics from the chains of the military/industrial/financial complex, just because he's black?? '

Because black people are disproportionately screwed by this countries bullshit policies!!! If an Asian was president during the 50s you would have expected him to do something about policies related to the internment of asians during war time. Now you may ask, 'why should the herculean task of reforming wartime internment policies fall on this asian president, just because he's asian?' Well he's supposed to represent the people who elected him! And if asians got fucked during WWII, an asian president should do something about it. So, if blacks got fucked (and continue to get fucked) throughout American history, you would expect a black president to do something about it.

'Lets face it: no president can. Ron Paul would change his tune on Day 1 of his presidency once its explained to him all the crazy, serious-ass shit thats going on in the world. And if he refused he'd be assassinated on Day 2. '

So there would be some conspiracy to assassinate Ron Paul? Who would do that?

'That's the problem. that's why in the long run, we're fucked.'

In the short run we're fucked, but the long run is undetermined. If we can get our shit together in terms of monetary and foreign policy the country could be salvaged. Might not want to leave the country though. The rest of the world is gonna be pretty pissed at us for about 2 generations.

Huge Larry said...

See... now I'm depressed. Thanks guys.

Mondu said...

What's wrong with discussing politics here? I don't want to debate with random people on a forum, and I don't want to meetup with random people in person. This is my outlet for my ideas/observations/rage.

Mondu said...

Back to Obama... I should add that there are some recent developments that seem to bode well for the future. It seems Obama is trying to distance himself/the country from Israel on the issue of Iran. He wants Israel to guarantee that the US will be informed if they decide to attack Iran. Israel has not given a straight answer. Even though the US has been hawkish on Iran, there seems to be some hope of a diplomatic engagement. Obama might provide just the amount of friction needed to prevent WWIII.

marchhare14 said...

"Bad monetary policy, the war on drugs, the tyrrany of the prison industrial complex and the wars all hit minorities the hardest. Obama has done nothing for black people. This will cause even deeper disillusionment within the black community once it is recognized. Finally, a black president; oh, but his only real goal is to keep the rich white establishment happy. What an insidious trick. The 'dream' of racial equality has been exploited for the gain of the douchebags in charge of the country."

So fucking true it's depressing as hell.

Huge Larry said...

While it's true that I find politics and world affairs depressing in large part, I was being mostly sarcastic with my last comment. I have no problem with this data and wasn't trying to stymie political discussion.

The good news is that it's Friday.

cyrusfx said...

"There are so many horrible and semi-horrible ways this thing could go down. That speculation is based on many assumptions that might not hold true."

True, but I'm going by an amalgam of polls and statistical likelihoods which put the odds in favor of Ron Paul not being nominated for GOP candidate. I mean, do you really want to make a wager on this thing? RP was 1:8 on Bodog last, right? What odds would you be willing to take?

"Most of the voters who voted for Obama were in love with the 'first black president' concept. Their ethnicity is incidental."

Really? Where's the data on this? Its possible that an equal amount of people voted for McCain for the same reason -- because Obama is black. I think the dems could have nominated a hamster and he could have beat McCain, simply because so many people hated Bush so deeply.

"Because black people are disproportionately screwed by this countries bullshit policies!!!"

Yeah, and that's under Obama's control? You are assuming the man has way more power than he actually does. He just gets to oversee a large, incomprehensibly complex piece of machinery for a short period of time. And I really do think he is trying to change things for the better. I'm sure its not easy. I don't question his motives as much as I would any billionaire's or otherwise rich old fuck's.

"If an Asian was president during the 50s you would have expected him to do something about policies related to the internment of asians during war time."

Yeah but that's a pretty unrealistic hypothetical, don't you think?

"So there would be some conspiracy to assassinate Ron Paul? Who would do that?"

Anybody who stands to gain by keeping the system going exactly the way it is. Or our own Defense dept.

Both long and short terms are relative. I believe all empires have an arc and a downfall, and we have gone past the height of the arc.

Huge Larry said...

It will be interesting to see if the strict rise-downfall pattern will continue to hold true in the modern world. It's possible that things like the global economy and USS Internets will impact that behavior. I suppose it all depends on how you define rock bottom. It could be the official dissolution of the government, or a radical enough change in the government such that it is no longer considered the same government, or the conquest of the country by another country.

I maintain some hope, because we may just be on our way to a local minimum on the national girth/mirth graph.

Mondu said...

'I was being mostly sarcastic with my last comment. I have no problem with this data and wasn't trying to stymie political discussion.'

My bad, but ya this shit is best taken with a beer and ski blast to offset the burn.

I'll let Cy have the last word on this issue, so I'll just respond to the stuff I agree with here.

'I think the dems could have nominated a hamster and he could have beat McCain, simply because so many people hated Bush so deeply. '

So true.

'"So there would be some conspiracy to assassinate Ron Paul? Who would do that?"

Anybody who stands to gain by keeping the system going exactly the way it is. Or our own Defense dept. '

Bam!

cyrusfx said...

"I maintain some hope, because we may just be on our way to a local minimum on the national girth/mirth graph."

I'd like to believe this is true, and it may be, but the thing thats different about this time in history compared to others is the fact that we have such a huge debt to GDP ratio. We have, by far, the biggest debt in our nation's history.

So if all other countries that we've been borrowing money from for so long all the sudden call the U.S. on its debts, we could go bankrupt, and the dollar would lose its standing as the world's reserve currency. And this will wreak tremendous economic havok (sp) domestically.

The smartest people I listen to / read say this is pretty much an inevitability (though the euro will dissolve first), its just a matter of time. So yeah, enjoy shit now while its hot, is the optimistic way I will end this final comment.